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Recognizing Success in Advocacy: Stories on the Ride.

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Patient advocates from the Healthe Voices 2022 conference describe how they recognize success in their advocacy.. Snapshots of diverse lived experiences.

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Podcast intro 01:51

Estella Mata 02:26

Jason Jepson 02:43

Sharnae Smith 03:08

Jim Sneeden 03:31

Christine Von Raesfeld 04:32

Jason Crum 05:02

Brooke Abbott 05:27

Bethany Yeiser 05:41

Ken Taylor 06:11

Cindy Chmielewski 07:17

A word from our sponsor, Abridge 08:51

Jesus Guillen 09:34

Christopher Quimbar 10:22

Stephanie Chuang 10:57

Michele Nadeem-Baker 11:55

Jenna Green 13:02

Jasmin Pierre 14:18

Sam Seavey 14:39

Rachel Star Withers  15:25

Reflection 16:19

Podcast Outro 17:35

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Welcome to Health Hats, learning on the journey toward best health. I am Danny van Leeuwen, a two-legged, old, cisgender, white man with privilege, living in a food oasis, who can afford many hats and knows a little about a lot of healthcare and a lot about very little. Most people wear hats one at a time, but I wear them all at once.  I’m the Rosetta Stone of Healthcare. We will listen and learn about what it takes to adjust to life’s realities in the awesome circus of healthcare.  Let’s make some sense of all this.

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How do you recognize success in your advocacy work? In this episode, we listen to answers to the second question I asked of 26 people at the Healthe Voice Conference. Almost everyone answered some variation of I feel success when I affect one person’s life.  I won’t repeat that response twenty times. Instead, I’ll share a few of the permutations and experiences some people made. I will link the transcript of all the answers in the show notes.  I won’t edit them for readability.

Podcast intro

Welcome to Health Hats, the Podcast. I’m Danny van Leeuwen, a two-legged, cisgender, old white man of privilege who knows a little bit about a lot of healthcare. And a lot of our very little, we will listen and learn about what it takes to adjust to life’s realities in the awesome circus of healthcare. Let’s make some sense of all of this.

Woman, indoors, with black hair smiling and holding up name tagEstela Mata

 When you think about your advocacy, how do you recognize success?

Wow. I’ll tell you in my advocacy that I recognize success if I can help one person. Okay. Wow.


Man, indoors, balding smilingJason Jepson

Not by a paycheck, not living in a mansion, but by the number of comments I get from people with my diagnosis. Thank you so much. I feel less alone. Or caregivers, and now I understand what my loved ones are going through. They have schizophrenia, and it’s powerful. That’s the best. I would rather have that than the money. You know, it inspires me to keep going. I’m doing what I should be doing.

Sharnae ‘Nae” Smith

Woman, indoors, with long braided hair smiling and holding up name tag

Oh my gosh. Um, this will be the craziest thing when someone comes up to me, and they’re like, because of you, I’m going to keep going. Because of your story, my life changed. I got into advocacy work because when I first got diagnosed, people didn’t know what lupus was. I didn’t have anybody to turn to, so I felt like, okay, I don’t want anybody else to experience what I’ve experienced when they get diagnosed.

Man, indoors, with grey hair smiling and holding up name tagJim Snedden

I have a story to go with that. I was in the doctor’s office, and I said, come on, come on. I need my medicine. Give it to me now. And he laughed. Uh, it’s biologic. He said I wish everyone were as willing to use medication as you are, and I said, if you have somebody that you know needs it, please give them my business card. And I handed him a stack of business cards. About six months later, I got a phone call, and I talked to the guy, and we bounced back and forth for almost an hour. He called me back two months later. He says, Jim, he says, my life has changed thanks to thanks to this medication. Thank you so much. He says I went from 90% covered in psoriasis to now I’m down to about only 5%. I’m on the beach. I haven’t been here in years. Thank you so much. That is a success.

Christine Von Raesfeld

Woman, indoors, with black hair smiling and holding up name tag

That’s a hard one, right? Because I think, I think a lot of us in advocacy, we put a lot of work in, and we don’t see those immediate results. I think what gives me a measure is meeting people who have that same vision and sharing my thoughts and getting people to feel a little bit differently, you know? And I think that’s just a measure of my success: getting someone to think outside of their box and consider something else. I think if I can do that, there’s a shot.

Jason Crum

Man, indoors, bald, smiling and holding up name tag

I recognize success by people adhering to what I’m teaching you. If I see the people, they tell me they got tested, and their test is just negative. You know, that doesn’t make, that doesn’t make me successful. It doesn’t make my advocacy successful because they got a test. What makes it successful is that they’re spreading what I’ve taught them to other people.

Brooke Abbott

Woman, indoors, with black hair smiling and holding up name tag

And it doesn’t come in the thank yous. It comes from someone asking for something, and I can either connect them to someone else or provide a resource for them.

Bethany Yeiser

Woman, indoors, with blond hair smiling and holding up name tag

Success is when I talk with the caregiver, and they tell me, or even a patient, and they tell me, because of your videos and our conversations and the information you provided, you know, my life has changed. I have a better understanding of what people with schizophrenia think—more knowledge to take with me to my doctor because of you. Something has changed in a positive sense, and that’s very rewarding.

Man, indoors, balding smiling and holding up name tag

Ken Taylor

I used to think, well, you must have a room packed to change the minds of, and all this, it’s, it’s not that at all. Um, because everybody has a story to tell. Over the years, I’ve changed my mind about what advocacy is, does, and means to each person. You know, the obvious as far as medical attention, did you get the proper treatment? How do you find the right treatment? What are you diagnosed with? Do you get an expert? Do you, um, have any, anything like that? Helping somebody find, even find the correct diagnosis. Because there are a lot of misdiagnoses out there and there are a lot of overlapping symptoms among conditions. It is not, you know, easy sometimes to diagnose. Um, so that’s a, you know, a success. Treatment options are a huge success if you can find somebody, you know, get somebody going down the right path. Um, and then, the whole mental aspect of it. Nobody will have a diagnosis or a catastrophic event and not be affected mentally. Right. It’s just the way it is. And we’ve, we’ve talked about that quite a bit this weekend, haven’t we?


Cindy Chmielewski

Woman, indoors, with blond hair smiling and holding up name tagThat’s hard. I guess what I’m doing in advocacy is more patient education. Because I’m a retired teacher, learning about my cancer, knowing the treatment options and who were the doctors I should see, and just learning about things were what made me finally able to start living with my cancer. Before that, I kept on second-guessing, Am I doing what I’m supposed to be doing? Does my doctor know what’s going on? Am I getting the best treatment? So, I just kept worrying because it took me a while to be diagnosed. I was misdiagnosed in the beginning, so that fear was there. But once I learned about what should be going on. It became, it became more peaceful for me. And able to live my life. And I think so I went into the area of patient education because there are others like me there. Others don’t care there. Everything’s in the doctor’s hands, but others are like me. So, I think being able to talk to someone one on one. Educate them, have them connect with a specialist and start receiving treatment, and then have that person come back and say, oh, I’m doing well. Or thank you for sharing this resource.

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Man, indoors, with grey hair red shirt and vestJesus Guillen

For me, if, every day, at least one person I can make smile, or I give them some information on somebody, just say, Thank you. You know, because I could see this information or felt better in this way. I even sometimes ask myself, how did we do it? Because now, I have people tell me we talk about three suicides. One of them is in England, and I’m still amazed at how, even through social media or things like that, we can do that, you know, we can help people. So, for me, success is. First, I feel good about what I’m doing. But second, if one person, I don’t need more than that.

Christopher Quimbar

Man, indoors, smiling

I think when you, uh, believe in something so passionately, and that affects everybody across the world, such as your health. Success is reaching as many people as possible and understanding that you’re affecting their lives as much as health has affected your life. So, when you reach out to people, that ripple effects start to come back and, um, you know, you see the difference it’s making in people. That’s, that’s when you realize you’re doing something right.

Woman, indoors, with black hair blue dress holding up name tagStephanie Chuang

It’s a great question. I find that success’s number one goal for me is when I get comments from our audience and the people who are watching and reading us that the content that we’re putting out has been so impactful. Because my background storyteller love talking to people just like you. And so created a platform called the patient’s story. The patients’ story. It is focused on cancer because I want to do one area, and as you know, cancer is made up of many situations, um, and experiences. But what I can say, regardless of whether it’s cancer or something else, is in health. We have many shared emotions and experiences, and our stories are not the same as has been talked about but being able to put the stories out there for people to understand, I am seen, I am heard, I’m connected, I am not alone. It is so important—the patient

Michelle Nadine Baker

Woman, indoors, with blond hair and holding up name tag

I’m always my worst critic, but the first time I felt successful was when someone wrote to me and told me how much I was doing. My advocacy helped them in their life with CLL, and that was such a warm feeling that just made my day, not only my day but what I had been doing. And I was like, this is precise. I’m in the right place at the right time. And all roads have led me here. Whether I knew it or not, that was just what it was meant to be because my background is in broadcast journalism. And in communications. And here I was communicating, um, as a journalist, I’ll be it online, uh, to help others and by having something to help speak to them. Cause there was hardly a thing at the time when I started doing this. The intranet wasn’t what it is today in 2022, and my doctor had no information to give me the day I was diagnosed, which drove me insane. I was like, this is got to change. Someday when I’m ready, I’ll change this.

Woman, indoors, with dyed hair smiling and holding up name tagJenna Greene

Well, that’s an excellent question. Success is a combination of tiny things, including feeling comfortable to be vulnerable with you during this interview or being silly on an Instagram video. The more critical items, such as testifying on legislative bills that will help the greater community—and putting out content that allows people to be their own best healthcare advocates and hear from people in the community how that benefits them. Um, for me, that’s huge. I don’t care if many people like it or follow me. I do marketing for a living, so I enjoy the statistics behind it, but I don’t find success. I find success in helping someone live their best life, whatever that means to them.

Woman, indoors, with black hair and red flower in her hair smiling and holding up name tagJasmin Pierre

Wow, that’s another good question. Honestly, being here right now and just being amongst all of the other advocates because, you know, everybody is not invited to this conference. And it is just being surrounded by many good people and having meaningful conversations. Like, it just makes me feel like I belong here.

holding up name tagSam Seavey

It must be all the emails. I’m on social media, so I get a lot of comments from people in the community, letting me know how much my videos have helped them. I advocate for the blind and the visually impaired. And when someone loses sight, especially later in life, it’s terrifying. Uh, sight loss is the second largest fear, people’s biggest fear. And so they can watch some of my videos and realize that it’s not the end of the world. You can thrive with sight loss. Uh, it’s just a matter of learning how to. And so when I get those emails of how thankful they are that they found my videos, I was able to help them through that time. That’s genuinely how I measure the success of my advocacy.

Rachel Star Withers  15:25

Woman with brown curly hair, glasses, seated, indoors red headband and blouseI don’t see it as a success or not because, for me, it’s just talking about what I’m going through. That’s just part of everything I do, and if people respond, that’s great. If they don’t, that’s fine also. It’s not, you know, it’s not meant for everybody. Not everyone you know is dealing with a mental disorder. However, I will say that so much of the world is open nowadays. I think a lot more people are exposed to severe mental illnesses than they were in the past where it was, you know, kept quiet. It’s more likely now that you’re going to hear someone says, oh yeah, actually, I have a family member who’s dealing with that. Oh, one of my friends turns out this. Or just see it more on TV with like drug ads and things. You’re like, Oh wow. I never heard about tardive dyskinesia, and now there are actual drug ads on tv.


My parents wedding photo, Chicago February 22, 1947Wow. Thanks for sharing. Some people reflected on hearing a diagnosis or misdiagnosis. Others reflected and abrupt change in function through illness or accident are the death of a loved one. Some feel sad and disappointed. Others hopeful and empowered, all crossed a threshold, a before and an after. All told a story. What’s yours? Who do you tell?

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